Legislature(2005 - 2006)Wasilla LIO Conf Rm

02/25/2006 01:30 PM House TRANSPORTATION


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01:40:50 PM Start
01:46:31 PM Overview: Highway Safety Issues
03:51:55 PM Overview: Knik Arm Crossing
04:28:14 PM Adjourn
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"Discussion on Highway Safety Issues"
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                       February 25, 2006                                                                                        
                           1:40 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Carl Gatto, Co-Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                     
 Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Charlie Huggins, Chair                                                                                                 
 Senator John Cowdery, Vice Chair                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Jim Elkins, Co-Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Bill Thomas                                                                                                     
 Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                    
 Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                        
 Senator Albert Kookesh                                                                                                         
 Senator Hollis French                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  HIGHWAY SAFETY ISSUES; KNIK ARM BRIDGE                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN MACKINNON, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                             
of Highways & Public Facilities                                                                                                 
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented the notion of the traffic safety                                                                 
corridor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
GORDON KEITH, Regional Director                                                                                                 
Central Region                                                                                                                  
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed the specifics of the traffic                                                                     
safety corridor and answered questions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WESLEY WARNER                                                                                                                   
Valley Alaskan Bikers Advocating Training and Education                                                                         
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed the need to consider the seasonal                                                                
aspect of traffic safety corridors.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET BILLINGER                                                                                                              
Big Lake Community Council                                                                                                      
Big Lake, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Suggested the need for education in                                                                        
relation to alcohol-related accidents as well as for an earlier                                                                 
closing time for bars.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOHN COMBS, Mayor                                                                                                               
City of Palmer                                                                                                                  
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  During discussion, asked about engineering                                                                 
problems and related his support of the bridge.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT THOMAS, P.E., Regional Traffic Engineer                                                                                   
Traffic & Safety Section                                                                                                        
Central Region                                                                                                                  
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN STOREY, Captain                                                                                                           
Division of Alaska State Troopers                                                                                               
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Related  the  troopers'  excitement  with                                                               
regard to traffic safety corridors.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
RK BUTTS                                                                                                                        
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed concerns with regard  to those who                                                               
drive under the influence and with revoked/suspended licenses.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RANDY HOLT                                                                                                                      
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Posed questions  related to  the Southeast                                                               
transportation corridor and the Knik Arm Crossing.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ODAY, Member                                                                                                               
Anchorage Road Coalition                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Related the  Anchorage  Road  Coalition's                                                               
support for HB 261 and  specified two permanent traffic corridors                                                               
that should be created.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
STEVE MILLER                                                                                                                    
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Expressed concern  about the design  of the                                                               
Seward Meridian Road and the Knik Arm Bridge.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
APRIL MOORE                                                                                                                     
Trappers Creek, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified that the Knik  Arm Crossing would                                                               
address  the pressure  on  two of  the  traffic safety  corridors                                                               
specified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LOIS WIER                                                                                                                       
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  comments on  the  funds for  the                                                               
proposed bridges and traffic safety corridors.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN ROBINSON, Board of Directors                                                                                              
Valley Alaskan Bikers Advocating Training and Education                                                                         
Sutton, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Expressed the  concerns of  the motorcycle                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANN KILKENNY                                                                                                                    
Partners in Education                                                                                                           
Teeland Middle School                                                                                                           
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Urged the  committees to move the completion                                                               
of the Seward Meridian Road forward  and to upgrade the design of                                                               
it for safety and traffic.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DIANE KELLER, Mayor                                                                                                             
City of Wasilla                                                                                                                 
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Encouraged  the  legislature   to  approve                                                               
funding for  various road  improvements in  the Mat-Su  Valley as                                                               
well  as  to  consider  funding  the  alternative  transportation                                                               
corridor or the bypass.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RANDY HOLT                                                                                                                      
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided a comment  regarding rights-of-way                                                               
for the bypass.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DONNIE DARILEK                                                                                                                  
Meadow Lakes Community Council                                                                                                  
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed the  need to lower the speed limit                                                               
in the Meadow  Lakes area [of the Parks Highway]  to 45 miles per                                                               
hour.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SHERRY MATSEN (PH)                                                                                                              
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Related her support of the  idea of traffic                                                               
safety corridors and enforcement.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GREG BEAL                                                                                                                       
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Expressed concerns with regard  to the lack                                                               
of [winter] road maintenance.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HENRY SPRINGER, Executive Director                                                                                              
Knik Arm Bridge and Toll Authority                                                                                              
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided an  update of the Knik  Arm Bridge                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
EARL LACKEY                                                                                                                     
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Asked  questions  regarding  the Knik  Arm                                                               
Bridge.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR CHARLIE  HUGGINS called  the House  Transportation Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order at  1:40:50  PM.    Representatives                                                             
Gatto, Kohring, and Neuman and  Senators Huggins and Cowdery were                                                               
present at  the call to  order.  Representative Stoltze  was also                                                               
in attendance.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  HIGHWAY SAFETY ISSUES                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be a discussion  about highway safety, which  was precipitated by                                                               
a  conversation  on  the same  topic  a  week  or  so ago.    The                                                               
conversation  was in  relation  to the  Seward  Highway south  of                                                               
Anchorage.   The  conversation revealed  that there  are multiple                                                               
dangerous  roads in  the state.   Therefore,  this meeting  is to                                                               
hear  from people  regarding what  can and  needs to  be done  to                                                               
address these  roads.   He mentioned  the review  of a  system of                                                               
traffic safety corridors.   Chair Huggins then  had Department of                                                               
Transportation  & Public  Facilities (DOT&PF)  and Department  of                                                               
Law  representatives   introduce  themselves  as  well   as  city                                                               
officials from Wasilla and Palmer.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS  then informed  the  committees  that currently  a                                                               
facility  is being  built on  the  Parks Highway  to address  the                                                               
demographic shift in  the area and help with traffic  safety.  Of                                                               
the  31  personnel  from  the  Alaska  State  Troopers  that  the                                                               
facility will house, about 26  individuals will be badge wearing,                                                               
gun carrying personnel.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  MACKINNON,   Deputy  Commissioner  of  Highways   &  Public                                                               
Facilities,   Office   of   the   Commissioner,   Department   of                                                               
Transportation  &  Public  Facilities,  began  by  reminding  the                                                               
committee  that [DOT&PF]  is under  the third  reauthorization of                                                               
the  transportation  bill  that's  all about  safety.    He  then                                                               
recalled that in early January there  was a fatal accident on the                                                               
Seward Highway, which raised awareness  in that more effort needs                                                               
to  be  placed  toward  safety  on the  highways.    The  current                                                               
approach to  high accident rates on  roads is to review  what can                                                               
be done  to improve the road  such as straighten it  or widen it,                                                               
which is  a long process.   Furthermore,  often by the  time such                                                               
projects are complete  the road has once  again reached capacity.                                                               
In reviewing  what other states  have been doing, the  concept of                                                               
traffic  safety  corridors  was  reviewed.     In  fact,  in  the                                                               
governor's State of  the State address, the  governor charged the                                                               
department with  drafting legislation that created  these traffic                                                               
safety  corridors   along  with   an  educational   campaign  and                                                               
increased enforcement.  Studies  have shown that when enforcement                                                               
on a roadway  is increased, it calms the traffic  and reduces the                                                               
number  of accidents,  particularly the  very serious  accidents.                                                               
Upon reviewing  other states using  traffic safety  corridors, it                                                               
was found that  Oregon has had a long history  of using corridors                                                               
and  has achieved  success in  this area.   In  fact, Oregon  has                                                               
decommissioned a  couple of  its traffic  safety corridors.   Mr.                                                               
Mackinnon  informed the  committee  that  DOT&PF has  established                                                               
criteria  and   introduced  legislation  in  both   bodies.    He                                                               
explained that DOT&PF  would work closely with  the Department of                                                               
Public Safety  (DPS) in determining  the location of  the traffic                                                               
safety corridors.  Furthermore,  DPS and local police departments                                                               
would be consulted in regard to  enforcement.  The DPS would also                                                               
help with the  funding for the additional enforcement.   He noted                                                               
that DOT&PF has some safety sanction  funds for that.  The DOT&PF                                                               
has  identified four  roads that  meet the  criteria for  traffic                                                               
safety  corridors, including  the  Knik-Goose  Bay Road,  Palmer-                                                               
Wasilla Highway,  and the Parks  Highway.  He explained  that the                                                               
notion  is  to  target  the  worst  roads  first  with  increased                                                               
enforcement and education.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:52:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GORDON KEITH,  Regional Director,  Central Region,  Department of                                                               
Transportation  &  Public  Facilities,  began  by  informing  the                                                               
committee  that the  central region  includes the  Mat-Su Valley,                                                               
the  Kenai  Peninsula,  the  Aleutian  Chain,  Bristol  Bay,  and                                                               
Anchorage.   He explained that  the Central Region has  taken the                                                               
lead on  this matter because  it has  probably 60 percent  of the                                                               
population  and  probably  over  60   percent  of  the  cars  and                                                               
vehicular-related   accidents.     After  reviewing   the  Seward                                                               
Highway,  it was  discovered through  anecdotal information  that                                                               
other corridors had  as high or higher incidents  of accidents as                                                               
that of the  Seward Highway.  Therefore, the  review was expanded                                                               
and  the analysis  thus far  indicates the  need for  about 10-12                                                               
[traffic safety  corridors] in  the central  region.   He related                                                               
how  much  work   it  takes  to  discern   these  traffic  safety                                                               
corridors.    He  then  related  that  at  this  point  there  is                                                               
recommended criteria  to select the traffic  safety corridors and                                                               
those  recommendations are  being  tested.   He  then showed  the                                                               
committee charts based on the draft criteria.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH,  in response  to Chair  Huggins, related  that traffic                                                               
safety corridors  will appear to  the traveling public  much like                                                               
the construction  work zones.   Therefore, there  will be  a sign                                                               
that informs the driver that  he/she is entering a traffic safety                                                               
corridor for which there are  double fines for infractions in the                                                               
corridor.   These  signs specifying  the traffic  safety corridor                                                               
would be  in place  for perhaps  years at a  time and  the limits                                                               
specified on the signs  would be in place every day  all day.  He                                                               
highlighted the  importance for  drivers to  know when  he/she is                                                               
entering  a  traffic  safety corridor  and  the  consequences  of                                                               
violations in it.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE  expressed the need for  the department to                                                               
relate to city officials and community  members how they can be a                                                               
part of this process.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:57:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITH  explained  that  traffic   safety  corridors  can  be                                                               
nominated by city officials, the public, and the legislature.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS agreed that community  members must realize this is                                                               
a  community effort.   However,  if there  was a  big cluster  of                                                               
continuing  accidents in  one place,  then he  surmised that  all                                                               
modifications of  traffic control should be  reviewed because the                                                               
current proposal only modifies driver behavior.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:00:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH  highlighted the importance of  engineering, education,                                                               
and  enforcement for  traffic safety  because the  engineering is                                                               
[less effective]  without increased enforcement.   With regard to                                                               
education,  Mr. Keith  informed the  committee that  some highway                                                               
safety funds have  been received and an  advertising campaign has                                                               
been started  with regard to  the long [proposed  traffic safety]                                                               
corridor  from Seward  to Fairbanks.   He  noted that  the target                                                               
group is young people because they seem to have more accidents.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:02:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH  then provided the  committee with charts  that provide                                                               
information with  regard to the  location of accidents  that have                                                               
occurred on the Knik-Goose Bay  Road, the Palmer-Wasilla Highway,                                                               
and  the  Parks Highway.    The  information related  a  positive                                                               
correlation between  accidents [with  pedestrians].   The charts,                                                               
he  pointed out,  also relate  which  accidents involved  alcohol                                                               
and/or  drugs,  which  he  indicated was  many  accidents.    The                                                               
traffic  safety corridors  will try  to intercept  those drivers.                                                               
He  then  reviewed the  accident  summary  data provided  on  the                                                               
charts, which  includes data regarding  the number  of fatalities                                                               
or major injuries  per mile per the number  of vehicles traveling                                                               
on  a particular  road.   Of those  roads charted  thus far,  the                                                               
Knik-Goose   Bay   Road   has   the   highest   rate   of   major                                                               
injuries/fatalities per  mile.  Mr.  Keith noted that  until this                                                               
data was available,  the state troopers probably  didn't know the                                                               
patterns   or  the   areas  in   which   enforcement  should   be                                                               
concentrated.   Therefore,  this  data  is a  real  tool for  the                                                               
troopers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:08:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WESLEY  WARNER, Valley  Alaskan  Bikers  Advocating Training  and                                                               
Education, a  motorcycle safety  organization, asked  whether any                                                               
seasonal road conditions are considered in the data.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH  replied no, adding  this isn't  a seasonal thing.   He                                                               
mentioned that  there has been discussion  regarding whether some                                                               
of the  traffic safety corridors  can be a  seasonal application,                                                               
which hasn't  been done in other  states.  He indicated  the need                                                               
to  analyze the  data to  determine whether  there is  a seasonal                                                               
aspect to the accidents.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARNER expressed the need to  obtain data on that in order to                                                               
address the seasonal aspect, especially in regard to education.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:10:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEITH said  the education  campaign will  start as  early as                                                               
next week.   He  mentioned the need  for a  different educational                                                               
focus at different times of the year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:10:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARNER expressed the need for  the state to also identify the                                                               
conditions of  the roads,  which includes  the conditions  due to                                                               
the disrepair of the roads.   He opined that without [taking into                                                               
consideration  weather and  road conditions],  the data  provided                                                               
doesn't present the entire picture.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET BILLINGER, Big Lake Community  Council, related that she                                                               
has been a  victim of two head-on collisions  with drunk drivers.                                                               
She highlighted  that the state  controls the  Alcoholic Beverage                                                               
Control Board (ABC Board), and  questioned why bars can't be made                                                               
to close  at 2 a.m. in  order to decrease the  number of alcohol-                                                               
related  fatalities at  night.   She emphasized  that the  safety                                                               
discussion has been going on for  10 years, but the same highways                                                               
and  narrow roads  exist.   Therefore, closing  the bars  earlier                                                               
could  prove helpful.    She emphasized  the  need for  education                                                               
efforts related to driving while impaired by alcohol.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  COMBS,  Mayor, City  of  Palmer,  turned attention  to  the                                                               
number of  accidents on the  Parks Highway - Lucas  Road corridor                                                               
versus the  Knik-Goose Bay Road.   He inquired as to  whether the                                                               
[cluster of  accidents on the Knik-Goose  Bay Road] is due  to an                                                               
engineering problem.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH said  that he couldn't identify  [the specific problem]                                                               
and  thus  he  offered  to  look into  the  specifics  [of  those                                                               
accidents].  He did point out that  the closer to town one is the                                                               
more vehicles there are.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT THOMAS,  P.E., Regional Traffic Engineer,  Traffic & Safety                                                               
Section, Central  Region, Department  of Transportation  & Public                                                               
Facilities,  related   that  about  half  of   these  roads  were                                                               
constructed  in the  '80s.    He noted  that  the road  alignment                                                               
hasn't changed much and shoulders  have been added.  He indicated                                                               
that  approximately three  of  [the roads]  are  older and  three                                                               
others  are newer.   He  explained  that one  process of  traffic                                                               
safety corridors is  the field review for  engineering and audit,                                                               
which is the next step.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS expressed  his hope that today is  the beginning of                                                               
the integration of building roads,  the location of troopers, and                                                               
safety aspects.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:16:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN highlighted that  DOT&PF has a website with                                                               
this information and a link  requesting opinions from the public.                                                               
He then  related two situations  in which public  complaints lead                                                               
to an immediate response from DOT&PF such that they were fixed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN  STOREY,  Captain,  Division   of  Alaska  State  Troopers,                                                               
Department  of  Public  Safety   (DPS),  related  the  division's                                                               
excitement with  regard to traffic  safety corridors.   He opined                                                               
that the division will review  the corridors from a public safety                                                               
standpoint   and   determine   if  the   troopers   can   provide                                                               
enforcement.     He   further  related   that  the   division  is                                                               
aggressively recruiting  troopers and  the hope  is to  have more                                                               
troopers  on  the  road  and the  new  trooper  office  mentioned                                                               
earlier.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RK  BUTTS  recalled the  earlier  mention  of the  drunk  driving                                                               
problem and  opined that the  legislature has done  nothing about                                                               
it.   He  further opined  that the  legislature has  done nothing                                                               
about  the  number  of   people  driving  with  revoked/suspended                                                               
licenses.      Most   of   the   individuals   stopped   with   a                                                               
revoked/suspended  license merely  receive  a  citation and  they                                                               
don't  typically make  their appearance  in court,  he indicated.                                                               
The law needs to be  changed such that individuals caught driving                                                               
drunk  or with  a revoked/suspended  license lose  their vehicle.                                                               
He related  that individuals stopped  who can't provide  proof of                                                               
insurance face their  car being impounded until  they can provide                                                               
proof of insurance.   All of the aforementioned  will, he opined,                                                               
reach most of the individuals causing the accidents.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTTS  turned to the area  between Wasilla and Big  Lake that                                                               
has  many traffic  problems.   He  suggested  lowering the  speed                                                               
limit  and enforcing  it.   He  then turned  attention to  moose-                                                               
vehicle  collisions, most  of which  occur during  darkness.   He                                                               
questioned why  the speed limit  in the areas  with moose-vehicle                                                               
collisions haven't been  lowered.  Mr. Butts  emphasized the need                                                               
to  put teeth  into the  existing laws  and stated  that doubling                                                               
traffic fines  or bail amounts won't  accomplish anything because                                                               
half of the individuals charged with such don't pay them.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS,  recalling  information  from  safety  engineers,                                                               
pointed  out that  the  adjustment  of speed  is  not always  the                                                               
answer.   He then  informed everyone  that the  Moose Federation,                                                               
the organization that  tracks the location of  moose, is becoming                                                               
involved  with  the moose-vehicle  collisions.    He opined  that                                                               
effort is being  expended to address the concerns  related by Mr.                                                               
Butts.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:23:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY  highlighted the team  of four troopers  in Palmer                                                               
who  basically  focus  on  driving   under  the  influence  (DUI)                                                               
enforcement.     However,  because  troopers  have   a  statewide                                                               
responsibility,  the   team  occasionally   performs  enforcement                                                               
efforts in other parts of  the state.  The aforementioned program                                                               
has  been so  successful, the  division is  attempting to  obtain                                                               
highway safety funds  to create such a team in  Fairbanks as well                                                               
as  a DUI  enforcement  team  on the  Kenai  Peninsula.   Captain                                                               
Storey  related  that  in  the  last  statistical  year  the  DUI                                                               
enforcement team [in  Palmer] had arrests on par  with the number                                                               
of arrests made  by all the other troopers.   However, he pointed                                                               
out  that the  other  troopers  have to  do  the regular  trooper                                                               
duties as  well as the  DUI arrests.   He said that  the troopers                                                               
try to  bring as many revoked/suspended  license violators before                                                               
the court,  but they are  managed in  ways in which  the troopers                                                               
don't have control.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BILLINGER related that she  has seen drivers without driver's                                                               
licenses  driving on  the bike  paths and  has seen  troopers who                                                               
have seen such.  She asked if the situation can be investigated.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN STOREY said that DUI anywhere  is a criminal offense.  He                                                               
related that if there are  witnesses who can identify the vehicle                                                               
and the driver, the troopers try to investigate such situations.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:27:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE  thanked the  troopers for  the statistics                                                               
that the Division of Alaska  State Troopers provided because it's                                                               
comprehensive   information   over   the   [last]   five   years.                                                               
Representative Stoltze  said that  he thought the  Seward Highway                                                               
was the most dangerous highway  in the state, but after reviewing                                                               
the  data it  seems  that there  were 72  deaths  and over  1,200                                                               
injuries in  the Matanuska-Susitna  Borough.   The aforementioned                                                               
information  indicates  that  there  is a  greater  need  in  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna Borough.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  STOREY  clarified that  there  was  some confusion  with                                                               
regard  to the  most  dangerous stretch  of  highway because  the                                                               
statistical data  regarding the  stretch of highway  from Wasilla                                                               
to Big Lake  includes the portion of highway from  Wasilla to the                                                               
Big Lake  Cutoff, a  portion of  the Knik-Goose  Bay Road,  and a                                                               
portion of  the Palmer-Wasilla Highway.   Therefore,  those three                                                               
stretches of  highway make up  the most dangerous portion  of the                                                               
highway within  the state.   However, he highlighted that  it's a                                                               
near tie  between Knik-Goose Bay  Road and Wasilla and  Big Lake.                                                               
He then  returned to Mr.  Butt's comments and highlighted  that a                                                               
few  years  ago the  legislature  passed  a provision  such  that                                                               
felony DUI vehicles  were to be seized and forfeited.   Since the                                                               
inception of  that program, approximately 240  vehicles have been                                                               
seized.  Furthermore, about 100 vehicles are pending forfeiture.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:32:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  HOLT   asked  if  the  proposed   Southern  transportation                                                               
corridor will  ease traffic in  Palmer and Wasilla and  thus help                                                               
eliminate some  of the accidents in  the area.  He  then inquired                                                               
as to the members' opinions of the Knik Arm Crossing.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COWDERY  noted  that  he  has been  and  remains  to  be                                                               
enthusiastic with  regard to the  Knik Arm Crossing.   He related                                                               
his belief  that the funding for  the Knik Arm Crossing  won't be                                                               
lost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:35:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STOLTZE mentioned  that he serves on  the Knik Arm                                                               
Authority.  He said that although  he is in favor of the project,                                                               
he opined  that it  should be scrutinized  as any  other project.                                                               
Representative  Stoltze   related  his  belief  that   there  are                                                               
innovative  methods being  employed, such  as the  public-private                                                               
participation and  using bonding unlike  any other project.   The                                                               
Knik Arm  Crossing, he opined,  is an  important part of  any gas                                                               
line  project  or  realignment  of   the  Alaska  Railroad.    He                                                               
expressed concern with regard to  an overpass of downtown Wasilla                                                               
and what it would do to  Wasilla.  Furthermore, he suggested that                                                               
such   a  bridge   could  provide   economic  benefit   and  more                                                               
opportunities for business and industry in the Mat-Su Valley.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN   recalled  recently  listening   to  U.S.                                                               
Congressman  Don Young  when  he inquired  as  to the  commitment                                                               
[Alaskans] have for the future in  the state.  He questioned what                                                               
there will  be for Alaskans  30-50 years from  now as far  as the                                                               
expansion  is  concerned.   He  recalled  hearing  Representative                                                               
Stoltze mention  the investment  and commercial  opportunities in                                                               
the Point  MacKenzie area  which would help  relieve some  of the                                                               
taxpayers' burden.  He, too,  highlighted the economic benefit of                                                               
the  railroad  passing through  the  area.   Furthermore,  a  new                                                               
North-South  corridor between  Anchorage  and  Willow would  move                                                               
thru traffic  off the Palmer-Wasilla Highway  and possibly reduce                                                               
the number of vehicles on it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  recalled the  inception of  the phrase  "Bridge to                                                               
Nowhere," which  came about nationally  when Alaska had  funds to                                                               
build bridges.   Many said that  funding could have been  used to                                                               
help the city of New Orleans  after Hurricane Katrina.  That same                                                               
argument  is now  utilized  throughout the  state  as the  reason                                                               
various projects aren't  being done in the state.   That argument                                                               
is convenient and  he urged everyone to think about  that.  Chair                                                               
Huggins then pointed  out that the infrastructure  that works for                                                               
the  interim  for Knik  Arm  Crossing  also  works for  the  port                                                               
because  even   if  the   Knik  Arm   Bridge  isn't   built,  the                                                               
infrastructure for  the port will still  need to be built  if the                                                               
port  is to  emerge  as a  major  sector in  the  community.   He                                                               
highlighted   that   if  the   Knik   Arm   Crossing  is   built,                                                               
infrastructure  money   will  come   with  the   [federal]  funds                                                               
otherwise there  aren't many stakeholders  outside of  the Mat-Su                                                               
Valley area that  see the importance of the port.   Chair Huggins                                                               
specified his support  of the Knik Arm Crossing,  and opined that                                                               
the Mat-Su  Valley area is  "the single  strategic transportation                                                               
thing that  can happen  ... because it  connects the  two largest                                                               
communities,  60 percent  of the  population."   Furthermore, the                                                               
only options  that impact/ease the overcrowded  Parks Highway are                                                               
the Knik  Arm Crossing and  the bypass.   He concluded  by saying                                                               
that there isn't one single solution.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:45:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO  turned attention  to the  proposed gas  line, and                                                               
pointed out that the pipe for  the gas line has a larger diameter                                                               
and is thicker than that for  the oil pipeline.  Furthermore, the                                                               
pipe  for the  gas line  is really  heavy and  probably only  one                                                               
piece  can  be carried  at  a  time on  a  truck.   It  would  be                                                               
horrifying,  he said,  to see  so many  trucks on  the Glenn  and                                                               
Parks  Highways if  there isn't  another  alternative.   Co-Chair                                                               
Gatto then pointed  out that when Alaska receives  money from the                                                               
federal government,  the federal  government is very  specific in                                                               
regard to  how it is  to be spent.   He recalled that  48 percent                                                               
was for the National Highway  System, which included the bridges.                                                               
He  said that  the  Palmer-Wasilla Highway  can't  be built  with                                                               
those  federal   funds  because  the  federal   government  won't                                                               
reimburse  those  funds.   While  the  earmarks disappeared,  the                                                               
funds  are still  there and  went to  DOT&PF at  which point  the                                                               
governor announced that he wanted  to reserve $90 million for the                                                               
bridge projects.   However, the bridge will  probably cost around                                                               
$600  million,  and thus  requires  commitment  from the  federal                                                               
government in order to obtain  enough funding for such a project.                                                               
The  point, Co-Chair  Gatto  said, is  that  it's complicated  to                                                               
obtain  the  funds   to  build  the  bridge  and   to  build  it.                                                               
Meanwhile, there are other safety  projects.  He noted that Trunk                                                               
Road, which is too short of  a section and wasn't included in the                                                               
evaluation, wasn't  even discussed.   Moreover, the  troopers are                                                               
shorthanded.  In  the Mat-Su Valley, there are  1,225 open cases,                                                               
which resulted  in the  troopers being given  funds to  hire more                                                               
troopers, but there aren't enough people applying.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:52:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  ODAY,   Member,  Anchorage  Road  Coalition,   related  the                                                               
Anchorage  Road  Coalition's  support  for   HB  261.    He  then                                                               
expressed the need to create  the following two permanent traffic                                                               
corridors:  from  Portage to Potter and from the  junction of the                                                               
Parks and  Glenn Highways to Houston.   He recalled a  safety and                                                               
design engineer  from Florida  with over  35 years  of experience                                                               
who said  there is  a 100  percent fatality rate  in that  if one                                                               
survives a  vehicle accident with  a major injury, the  chance of                                                               
survival  within  a  year  are  zero.    Mr.  Oday  reminded  the                                                               
committees that the  Anchorage Road Coalition formed  in order to                                                               
influence the  design of  streets in  the city,  particularly the                                                               
highways.   "Wider, flatter,  straighter is  not the  answer," he                                                               
said.   He then turned  to the  problem of speeders  and informed                                                               
the committees  that in  Scottsdale, Arizona,  electronic cameras                                                               
are being  used to catch  speeders.   In order to  prosecute that                                                               
driver  and vehicle  using such  a system,  Alaska would  need to                                                               
change  its statute.   The  Anchorage  Road Coalition  is in  the                                                               
process  of  recommending  to the  Anchorage  Assembly  to  again                                                               
engage in electronic surveillance.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:57:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ODAY opined that if  [electronic surveillance] can be done in                                                               
the Lower 48, it can be done in  Alaska.  With regard to the Knik                                                               
Arm Bridge  and the railroad,  Mr. Oday  said that he  has spoken                                                               
with  engineers  who have  explained  that  the [railroad]  would                                                               
require a  separate bridge and  it would  cost two to  four times                                                               
the  money of  the Knik  Arm Bridge.   Furthermore,  the truckers                                                               
don't like the proposal because it  would not save them any time.                                                               
Mr.  Oday then  turned to  the Parks  Highway and  said that  the                                                               
chief  problem  is  the  traffic  pull, which  is  a  problem  in                                                               
Anchorage as  well.  With  regard to comments  about transporting                                                               
the  pipe,  Mr.  Oday  recalled when  the  Trans-Alaska  Pipeline                                                               
System  was built  and  one-third  of the  pipeline  was sent  to                                                               
Valdez.   The  highway from  Valdez to  Glennallen was  destroyed                                                               
within weeks of transporting the pipeline.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY mentioned that he  was in China where he observed                                                               
the  massive  amounts  of  traffic   and  where  this  electronic                                                               
surveillance is being used.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR  COMBS  recalled several  years  ago  when the  legislature                                                               
approved [legislation]  to require that  headlights be on  at all                                                               
times, although it was repealed.   Drawing upon his experience in                                                               
the insurance industry, Mayor Combs  highlighted the studies that                                                               
show  having  headlights  on  at  all  times  prevents  accidents                                                               
because  vehicles  can  see  each  other.    Upon  repealing  the                                                               
legislation, the signs  regarding driving with lights  on all the                                                               
time were taken down rather than  left in place to encourage such                                                               
action.   He  related his  understanding  that there  will be  no                                                               
change in  speed limits  [in the  traffic safety  corridors] just                                                               
more enforcement.   He suggested that there  be larger rights-of-                                                               
way,  specifically at  least 200  feet  and 100  feet of  natural                                                               
corridor  on each  side.    He informed  the  committees that  he                                                               
supports the byway concept in the  Mat-Su Valley.  With regard to                                                               
the bridges, he  said he looks forward to  that being constructed                                                               
some day.   He noted  that every  large community located  on the                                                               
coast with a nearby peninsula or island has a bridge.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:05:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE MILLER  expressed concern  about the  design of  the Seward                                                               
Meridian  Road, which  would  causes  some to  have  to drive  an                                                               
unsafe route.   He said that although DOT&PF  has been responsive                                                               
to  his  concerns,  thus  far the  department  hasn't  liked  the                                                               
suggestions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
APRIL MOORE  opined that enforcement isn't  all that's necessary,                                                               
adding that the  Knik Arm Crossing would address  the pressure on                                                               
two  of the  traffic  safety corridors  specified.   She  further                                                               
opined that  it's just common sense  that if the pressure  on the                                                               
highways going  through Wasilla is  relieved, then  fatalities on                                                               
the  highways would  be relieved  also.   She then  expressed her                                                               
belief that  the economy is  ripe for  the Knik Arm  Crossing and                                                               
the  bypass because  as Anchorage  expands,  the Mat-Su  Valley's                                                               
economic base needs to expand on toward Willow.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:11:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOIS WIER opined  that it was a terrible mistake  for Congress to                                                               
take away  the earmark for the  two bridges.  She  commented that                                                               
although the  members have said  they are committed to  the [Knik                                                               
Arm Crossing], the  legislature is the only entity  that can take                                                               
away funds  originally designated  for the  crossings and  use it                                                               
for  other  projects.   Ms.  Wier  characterized the  funds  from                                                               
Congress for the  crossings as a once in  a lifetime opportunity.                                                               
With  regard to  the  traffic safety  corridors  and the  signage                                                               
informing  drivers they  are entering  such,  she suggested  that                                                               
there  also needs  to be  signage identifying  when the  corridor                                                               
ends.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS clarified that there  will be signage regarding the                                                               
end point of the traffic safety corridors.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  ROBINSON,  Board  of   Directors,  Valley  Alaskan  Bikers                                                               
Advocating  Training and  Education, expressed  concern that  the                                                               
traffic safety corridors don't outline  the surface conditions of                                                               
the  roads.   He informed  the  committees that  Alaska has  more                                                               
motorcycles than  any other state.   Three problems that  need to                                                               
be  addressed  are as  follows:    the  lack of  a  comprehensive                                                               
motorcycle awareness program  by DOT&PF; the removal  of sand and                                                               
gravel from the roads; and tar  snakes.  Mr. Robinson opined that                                                               
rather  than going  to a  complete police  state, addressing  the                                                               
surfaces of the roads could go far toward safety.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ANN  KILKENNY,  Partners  in Education,  Teeland  Middle  School,                                                               
opined  that part  of the  problem with  traffic in  [the Palmer-                                                               
Wasilla  area] is  that the  roads  are under  designed and  over                                                               
driven.   Traffic needs to be  drawn away from the  center of the                                                               
Wasilla Highway,  Parks Highway  main street  intersection, which                                                               
would be accomplished with the  completion of the Seward Meridian                                                               
Road.   She  recalled  that  back in  2002,  voters approved  the                                                               
GARVEE [Grant  Anticipation Revenue Vehicles] bond  that included                                                               
the  completion  of  the  Seward  Meridian Road  as  one  of  the                                                               
projects.   Furthermore,  the completion  of the  Seward Meridian                                                               
Road was  supposed to have  been fast tracked.   However, nothing                                                               
has  been done  with the  Seward Meridian  Road in  the past  3.5                                                               
years.   The aforementioned  has resulted  in money  from schools                                                               
being used  to build an extension  of Seward Meridian Road.   She                                                               
added  that  the  Seward  Meridian Road  is  under  designed  and                                                               
lacking significant  safety features, especially  considering the                                                               
number  of  schools and  buses  that  travel along  that  street.                                                               
Therefore,  Ms.  Kilkenny  urged   the  committees  to  move  the                                                               
completion of  the Seward Meridian  Road forward to  draw traffic                                                               
out  of the  main corridor.   She  also urged  the committees  to                                                               
upgrade the  design of  the Seward Meridian  Road for  safety and                                                               
traffic.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:21:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MACKINNON, in  response to  Senator Cowdery,  explained that                                                               
GARVEE  bonds  are  sold  and repaid  with  the  state's  federal                                                               
highway funds.   He  specified that  GARVEE bonds  aren't general                                                               
obligation  bonds  but  rather the  state  is  borrowing  against                                                               
future federal funds coming to the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:22:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE KELLER,  Mayor, City of  Wasilla, commented  that community                                                               
participation is  critical to  solving these  community problems.                                                               
She  mentioned  that  she  would   pass  information  on  to  the                                                               
community  council   regarding  SB   261  and  would   request  a                                                               
resolution in support  of it.  She then confirmed  that the Moose                                                               
Federation is trying  to make a moose-free  corridor with fencing                                                               
and designated  crossing areas between  Anchorage and  the Mat-Su                                                               
Valley.    Mayor Keller  encouraged  the  legislature to  approve                                                               
funding  for   improvements  to   Lucille  Street  and   for  the                                                               
construction  of South  Mac Drive  as well  as Seldon  to Houston                                                               
improvements.  Such  improvements will help to  reduce traffic on                                                               
already  congested  main  thoroughfares.    She  then  asked  the                                                               
committees  to consider  funding  the alternative  transportation                                                               
corridor or  the bypass.  Furthermore,  additional signals should                                                               
be considered to  allow for traffic breaks or  roundabouts on the                                                               
roads that already  have problems.  Mayor Keller  opined that the                                                               
aforementioned  improvements along  with the  planned educational                                                               
campaigns  will go  far toward  making  the roads  in the  Mat-Su                                                               
Valley safer.  Mayor Keller then  expressed the need to work with                                                               
the court system  judges in order to identify  the existing flaws                                                               
in  the  law  and  allow  for enforcement  to  occur  as  it  was                                                               
legislated.   The aforementioned,  she suggested, will  allow the                                                               
offenders to serve  the time earned and allow  law enforcement to                                                               
feel as if it's making a difference.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:25:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS clarified that the  bypass of Wasilla will go south                                                               
and spoke of other alternatives  that could be utilized to access                                                               
the Parks Highway.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH  highlighted that the  last legislature and  the Alaska                                                               
Railroad contributed  $2 million each to  begin the environmental                                                               
impact statement (EIS)  for the Wasilla bypass.   A memorandum of                                                               
understanding has  been established between the  Alaska Railroad,                                                               
DOT&PF, the Mat-Su Borough, and the  City of Wasilla.  In fact, a                                                               
request  for  proposals  (RFP)  has  been  drafted  to  review  a                                                               
corridor  for a  bypass.    However, he  cautioned  that the  EIS                                                               
reviews all bypasses and thus  the railroad and the highway could                                                               
bypass the City of Wasilla.   He then advised the committees that                                                               
there is also a no-build alternative.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS  reminded everyone  that the construction  of roads                                                               
are 10-20 year propositions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  HOLT  related  his understanding  that  property  for  the                                                               
rights-of-way of the bypass is already being purchased.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DONNIE DARILEK, Meadow Lakes Community  Council, related that the                                                               
council supports  lowering the speed  limit to 45 miles  per hour                                                               
[in the area of  mile 49] of the Parks Highway,  as there are two                                                               
schools within a portion of the  road that has a 55-mile per hour                                                               
speed limit.   Furthermore, there should be  stoplights or three-                                                               
way stop  signs at  Vine, Rainbow,  and Big Lake  turn off.   The                                                               
aforementioned   could  be   accomplished   tomorrow  and   would                                                               
eliminate much  of the dangerous  drivers.  Ms.  Darilek informed                                                               
the committee  that there is  already a high trooper  presence on                                                               
the road and  it's not decreasing [accidents].   She then pointed                                                               
out that  at the Pittman  Road area there are  railroad crossings                                                               
and  the fire  and ambulance  services are  located on  the wrong                                                               
side of the track, especially when  gravel is being loaded on the                                                               
tracks.   The  same situation  will result  with the  new trooper                                                               
station  to be  built at  that site.   Ms.  Darilek informed  the                                                               
committee  that [the  Meadow  Lakes  Community Council]  supports                                                               
building the bypass  rather than what DOT&PF plans  to do between                                                               
Lucas  and Big  Lake  Road.   She  specified  that the  community                                                               
desires road construction similar to that done at Sterling.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:33:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOHRING said he supports  lowering the speed limit                                                               
at  least as  a temporary  measure  until the  completion of  the                                                               
upgrade of the road through the Meadow Lakes area.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:33:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHERRY MATSEN (PH)  began by relating her support of  the idea of                                                               
traffic safety  corridors.  She  opined that enforcement  is very                                                               
important.   She  related her  belief that  several areas  of the                                                               
Knik-Goose Bay  Road and  miles 44-52 of  the Parks  Highway need                                                               
reduced speed limits  in order to reduce accidents.   She related                                                               
her  experiences  on the  Knik-Goose  Bay  Road, such  as  people                                                               
passing when there  is oncoming traffic and passing  on the right                                                               
when the  vehicle up ahead is  making a left turn.   There should                                                               
be a  law against passing on  the right when someone  is turning,                                                               
she opined.  Adding turning lanes  would help address some of the                                                               
aforementioned problems.   She then suggested  that more lighting                                                               
would  help at  Edlund Road,  the Palmer-Wasilla  extension, Vine                                                               
Road, and  the Fairview Loop.   Moreover, reducing the  number of                                                               
access roads to  the main thoroughfares and  adding more frontage                                                               
roads  would also  help  reduce accidents.    In conclusion,  she                                                               
opined that the  speed limit at the main  intersections should be                                                               
reduced to  45 miles  per hour.   She added  that she  would like                                                               
lights to be added to Vine Road, Fairview Loop, and Edlund Road.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG BEAL  said that Palmer  DOT&PF does  a fairly decent  job of                                                               
maintaining  roads,  although  there aren't  enough  [trucks  and                                                               
staff] to go around.   However, Anchorage DOT&PF doesn't maintain                                                               
its roads as  it sends out only three  trucks [between] Anchorage                                                               
and Eklutna.   Therefore,  he suggested that  if more  trucks and                                                               
staff are  necessary, then the  funds should  be put forth  to do                                                               
so.   He further suggested  changing the schedule of  sanding and                                                               
plowing.  Mr.  Beal related that the  Anchorage Police Department                                                               
reports that there were 104  accidents, which amounts to $104,000                                                               
if each accident  costs $1,000.  He expressed the  need for there                                                               
to be  a plan when  there is an accident  so that traffic  can be                                                               
moved  through the  other lane  rather  than completely  shutting                                                               
down the road.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS said  that  the  concerns of  Mr.  Beal are  being                                                               
worked on.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:40:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:40 p.m. to 3:51 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  KNIK ARM CROSSING                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS  then  turned the  committee's  attention  to  the                                                               
overview of the Knik Arm Crossing.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:51:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HENRY  SPRINGER, Executive  Director,  Knik Arm  Bridge and  Toll                                                               
Authority,  Department  of  Transportation &  Public  Facilities,                                                               
began by characterizing  the Knik Arm Bridge project  as a unique                                                               
project  in  the  state  because  it's  a  toll  authority.    He                                                               
explained that  a normal  road project with  federal aid  is paid                                                               
for by  the federal gasoline tax.   However, a toll  authority is                                                               
required to  pay for  all the  maintenance and  a portion  of the                                                               
capital  money that  is  raised  from the  toll  user  fees.   He                                                               
informed everyone that the estimated  cost of the Knik Arm Bridge                                                               
is $400-$600 million.  If  $200 million [in public participation]                                                               
is received, the  bridge can be built.   The aforementioned funds                                                               
will  come from  a variety  of funding  sources, such  as revenue                                                               
bonds, loans, and  the private sector through  concessions.  With                                                               
such an  approach it's  feasible to  raise the  $300-$400 million                                                               
for the project.   Mr. Springer assured the  committees that Wall                                                               
Street won't  put money  into the Knik  Arm Bridge  project until                                                               
it's  satisfied  that  the  projections  and  models  are  fairly                                                               
conservative.    He  highlighted  that   out  of  about  60  toll                                                               
facilities, there has been only one failure.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SPRINGER pointed  out  that  the Knik  Arm  Bridge and  Toll                                                               
Authority is required  to make projections out to  the year 2030.                                                               
By  the year  2050,  projections  show that  there  will be  more                                                               
people  in the  Mat-Su Valley  than  in Anchorage,  bridge or  no                                                               
bridge.   He  said that  [without the  bridge] by  the year  2020                                                               
there will  be a total  collapse of  the Glenn Highway  and $250-                                                               
$300 million will be needed  to upgrade it.  Furthermore, federal                                                               
funds for the bridge can't be  used to fill potholes, as has been                                                               
argued,  because  maintenance funding  is  an  obligation of  the                                                               
state.   However,  he acknowledged  that  the federal  government                                                               
does allow accelerated reconstruction  when the state doesn't put                                                               
forth enough state dollars for maintenance.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:57:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER acknowledged that household  surveys have found that                                                               
many  Palmer   residents  don't   support  the   bridge  project.                                                               
However, when  those residents find  out it will take  them three                                                               
hours to  get to Anchorage  they seem to  see the benefit  of the                                                               
bridge project.   He then informed the committees  that the draft                                                               
EIS is moving along and should be  issued in April.  To date, $18                                                               
million has been spent on  the EIS and the National Environmental                                                               
Policy Act  of 1969  (NEPA) process.   He  noted that  the public                                                               
will have  six weeks  to provide  comments on  the proposal.   He                                                               
also noted  that there are  some unresolved issues with  the core                                                               
and  hydraulics.   However, most  of the  technical matters  have                                                               
been  addressed  and the  project  is  in the  conceptual  design                                                               
stage.  Although  there are still some  public relations problems                                                               
with  Government  Hill,  there are  no  insurmountable  technical                                                               
problems.   Mr. Springer related  that he  is proud of  his staff                                                               
and his consultants because a lot of ground was covered.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:01:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER then  reminded the committees that  AS 19.75 created                                                               
the  Knik Arm  Bridge and  Toll Authority  and gave  it functions                                                               
such  as  collecting  tolls  and issuing  bonds.    However,  the                                                               
legislature has to approve  it all.  In fact, HB  471 and SB 303,                                                               
which are  up for hearings,  are enabling legislation  to proceed                                                               
with issuing bonds, incurring debt, and entering into a public-                                                                 
private partnership.  The aforementioned  is a fairly new concept                                                               
in which the private sector and  the owner or the government form                                                               
a  partnership such  that the  private sector  not only  does the                                                               
construction  and the  design  but can  also  participate in  the                                                               
financing and  in the operation  and maintenance of  the project.                                                               
In return, the  government gives the private sector  the right to                                                               
collect some of  the revenue from the tolls.   The aforementioned                                                               
is  being reviewed  as  a  manner in  which  to  get the  project                                                               
together if the normal funding systems don't materialize.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER  reminded everyone that the  federal government made                                                               
$229  million  available  and  earmarked   it  for  the  project.                                                               
Although the  earmarks were  removed, the money  isn't gone.   In                                                               
fact, federal  rules allow all  the [earmarked] money to  go into                                                               
the bridge.  However, the decision  [to use the federal funds for                                                               
the bridge] has been left to DOT&PF and the legislature.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:04:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER  related that  about $93.6  million of  the original                                                               
federal earmark  is in the  governor's budget.   Furthermore, the                                                               
governor recently announced that he  will ask the legislature for                                                               
$15 million  to pave the  MacKenzie Road,  which will be  part of                                                               
the  bridge project.   The  aforementioned is  fairly significant                                                               
because it aids the port and the project.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS highlighted Mr.  Springer's testimony regarding the                                                               
fact that the Knik Arm Bridge  benefits the crossing and the port                                                               
because even if the bridge  isn't constructed, the infrastructure                                                               
for the  port will be necessary  assuming some rate of  growth in                                                               
the port.   In other  words, that  $15 million for  the MacKenzie                                                               
Road supports the  crossing and the port.  "It's  money that will                                                               
come to our  community for infrastructure that we  have to have,"                                                               
he emphasized.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STOLTZE  opined  that  the  port  director  would                                                               
probably  talk  more about  these  benefits  it he  wasn't  being                                                               
stifled by the current borough administration.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SPRINGER  continued  to  discuss  the  [federal]  funds  and                                                               
related  his  belief  that  with  any money,  where  it's  to  be                                                               
allocated needs  to be nailed down.   He opined that  work on the                                                               
MacKenzie  Road can  begin this  summer by  giving [the  funds to                                                               
perform the  work] directly  to the borough.   He  suggested that                                                               
the road  could be paved  and completed by  early next year.   He                                                               
then noted  that $16  million is  left to  finish the  EIS, which                                                               
includes some  right-of-way acquisition to go  through Government                                                               
Hill and  the military base  behind the  port at which  point the                                                               
project is on state land.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:08:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER said that assuming  the $93 million [isn't allocated                                                               
elsewhere], the  funds can be  used to build  what it can  of the                                                               
project.  He  then related his belief that the  total project can                                                               
be  put together  in  four separate  pieces  under four  separate                                                               
contracts if the  funds don't come all at once.   He concluded by                                                               
commenting that  the Knik Arm  Crossing isn't competing  with the                                                               
Gravina Bridge project.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:10:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY remarked that he  has been working on the concept                                                               
of this bridge  for a long time.   He then pointed  out that coal                                                               
is shipped  to Seward, although  he believes the  terminal should                                                               
be at Point MacKenzie.  After  talking with the railroad, he came                                                               
to understand  that $2.50  per ton could  be eliminated  from the                                                               
rail freight [were the terminal  located at Point MacKenzie].  He                                                               
expressed interest in the bridge project going forward.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:13:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EARL LACKEY  asked if  there are  provisions in  the substructure                                                               
that would allow the railroad to be located on the bridge.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER  replied no,  but added that  the railroad  idea has                                                               
been  tossed around  from the  beginning.   He  explained that  a                                                               
railroad bridge and highway bridge  are really different, from an                                                               
engineering  standpoint  because  of  the  loading,  impact,  and                                                               
seismic design.  Furthermore, [a  railroad located on the bridge]                                                               
would cause the cost to skyrocket.   He related that the Board of                                                               
Directors  felt that  $600  million was  the  upper limit,  which                                                               
seems  to   be  supported  by   the  cost  estimates   thus  far.                                                               
Therefore,  [a railroad  located on  the bridge]  would kill  the                                                               
project.     The  project  is   being  designed  such   that  the                                                               
geometrics,  the alignment  of both  the horizontal  and vertical                                                               
grades can  be utilized  and it  would save  money.   However, he                                                               
highlighted that the  cap is being extended in the  case that the                                                               
population would ever support a light rail system.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:15:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLER,  noting that  he is  a civil  engineer, said  that he                                                               
liked the  project how it  was proposed  six or eight  years ago,                                                               
when there  were discussions about  highway corridors  that would                                                               
connect   both  ends   of  the   bridge  to   the  rest   of  the                                                               
transportation  infrastructure  as  well   as  a  rail  corridor.                                                               
Subsequently,  U.S.  Congressman  Don  Young  announced  that  he                                                               
couldn't obtain the  funds for the connecting  highways, and thus                                                               
only the  bridge would be  built.  To  which, Mr. Miller  said he                                                               
was  concerned because  a stand-alone  bridge would  be extremely                                                               
susceptible  to seismic  damage.   The Mat-Su  Borough area  is a                                                               
very seismic  area.  In fact,  when the Denali Fault  ruptured in                                                               
2003 there  was 50 feet  of lateral displacement along  the fault                                                               
line.  He  opined that no matter  how well a bridge  is built, it                                                               
doesn't handle  50 feet of  lateral displacement very well  if at                                                               
all.   He informed  the committees that  two floating  bridges in                                                               
Seattle  sank  and   the  Oakland  bay  bridge   pancaked  in  an                                                               
earthquake.   Mr. Miller  emphasized that  he could  support this                                                               
project  if the  highway  connections were  built  first.   There                                                               
needs to  be a  four-lane highway  from Wasilla  to the  Knik Arm                                                               
Bridge and at  least a good two-lane highway from  the end of the                                                               
Knik Arm Crossing to Willow in  order to make the project viable,                                                               
he opined.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN said  that  Mr. Miller  brings  up a  good                                                               
point with regard to an  earthquake.  To that end, Representative                                                               
Neuman related  the need to think  of an alternate egress  out of                                                               
Anchorage  because of  the problems  associated  with bridges  in                                                               
Eagle River giving out.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLER  said that an earthquake  big enough to take  down the                                                               
Eagle River Bridge  would mean that would be  concern with regard                                                               
to the Knik Arm Bridge also.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:20:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRINGER agreed with Mr.  Miller that the largest engineering                                                               
challenge with this  project is the seismic  design/criteria.  He                                                               
pointed out that  the Geophysical Institute in  Anchorage has the                                                               
best earthquake  monitoring system in North  America.  Therefore,                                                               
the Knik  Arm Bridge and  Toll Authority has contracted  with the                                                               
Geophysical  Institute   to  perform   a  geological   and  fault                                                               
analysis.  The two faults in  proximity to Knik Arm are different                                                               
than the  Denali Fault  in that they  have nearly  vertical sheer                                                               
blades.   He informed the committees  that a symposium of  the 12                                                               
best-known   earthquake  design   engineers   in  North   America                                                               
critiqued the project.  All  12 scientists agreed with the design                                                               
criteria  of the  project.   Mr. Springer  commented that  by the                                                               
time the  Knik Arm Bridge goes,  all of Anchorage would  be gone.                                                               
He then  related that  the Federal  Highway Administration  has a                                                               
special  team  providing  oversight.    When  the  draft  EIS  is                                                               
available,  there will  be a  separate pamphlet  addressing this.                                                               
He then  explained the  traffic modeling for  the bridge  and the                                                               
connecting roads.  He related that  by the year 2022 enough money                                                               
from  the  toll   structure  will  be  captured   such  that  the                                                               
interconnectivity between the Glenn and  the Seward Highways will                                                               
occur.  He agreed with Mr.  Miller that the bridge isn't a stand-                                                               
alone structure.  Mr. Springer  reminded the committee that he is                                                               
presenting what came out of the scoping process.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLER opined that a  four-lane highway is necessary to Point                                                               
MacKenzie.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS said, "We agree with that."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOHRING  thanked  everyone  and  said  there  are                                                               
serious  safety concerns  on the  Parks Highway  that need  to be                                                               
addressed by DOT&PF.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  also thanked everyone for  taking the time                                                               
to come out today and provide comments.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR GATTO reviewed the process.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY  said that  although he has  been elected  from a                                                               
district [outside  the Mat-Su Valley],  he represents  the entire                                                               
state.  Therefore,  he said he tries to  determine which projects                                                               
will move the state forward.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:28:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business  before the committees, the joint                                                               
meeting  of   the  House   and  Senate   Transportation  Standing                                                               
Committees was adjourned at 4:28 p.m.                                                                                           

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